Not accepting Donations : LK jupiter in 5H & Ketu in 11H.

Dear all,

Hare Rama Krsna,


Mahajan ji told the basic logic to me to write as an reply to the query. I had elaborately tried to explain it.

For Jupiter in 5H and ketu in 11H.
The logic as per lalkitab :
1)  Ketu signifies alms, donations, money interest taking  etc. Begging means to bring ketu to neecha (in LK neecha means malefic)  status. Ketu represent Son in LK.

2) 11H : 'har tarah ki kamai jiss mein tamam gharo ka asar samil hai Lk-41 pg 10'. It is the house of income where all planets will give as per their nature. Saturn is lord and justice here.

3) 5H :  It represent 'Aulad narina' : children especially son,' pota' : grandson,  'aulad ka dan dualat kismat' : wealth & fate of children, 'aulad ka sukh' : happines from children, 'akl ve ilm' : knowlede and skills, sohrat :  fame, etc.

Ketu is in Pakka ghar of jupiter in 11H and jupiter is also in the pakka ghar in 5H.

So LK says : LK-52 page 273 : " dharam ke naam per mang khana ya daan lena lawaldi aur bager kafan marne ki pehli nishani hogi, bacche murda lash bankar paida honge"

If native accept alms \ donation in the name of God, especially cheating (is ketu in LK) in the name of God, the native will not have children. Children will born dead. When native will die their will be no son for his last rites. (Ketu will become neecha ie son will die.)
for eg. Person who ask money in the name of Gurudwara, temple but they keep it for them self is cheating. Asking money for puja but not doing puja, etc. their generation will not grow.

So in this logic their is no role of Rahu therefore Lk does not considered this result for rahu + jupiter in 5H.

I hope i am clear. 

Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur

Pakka Ghar no.1, LK-42 page 11-12

Pakka GharNumber 1 : Fix house number one.[ lk-42 pg 11-12]

Ghar pehla hai takht hajari, grah phal raja kundli ka .

Jyotish mein ise lagan bhi kehate, jhagra manushya hai maya ka.

Purab taraf pakka ghar suraj, per upkar chavanni ka.

Vajud,makan, ruh, namak bhi, ginte, jaman ahaal kamai ka.

Chardiwari te ke ghose, singh mavesi khadeho jo ki.

Raj talluk, Rang gur ka, Rasm purani, saaj safar ho.

Jilli-jherjo paida hoge, naam hasiyat duniyalege.

Pehla ghar sara takth gina to, 7va rakne ki dharti ho.

Meaning :

• House no. 1 is throne of king and 7^th house is platform of throne.
• Here sun is of grah phal, east side and Pakka ghar of sun.
• It is called as lagan in traditional jyotish, indicating struggle between man and nature or a spectators of conflict between soul and illusion.
• Philanthropic but of ¼ strength.
• Significance of Individuality, own made house, soul, salt and status of income.
• Surrounded by four wall [As seen in diamond shape chart ie 12^th ,2^nd ,3^rd ,& 4^th house].
• Signifies animals who has straight horns.
• Signifies links with government, color is like Gur (country sugar, brownish yellow),
• Old tradition, things needed in traveling.
• Animals which takes direct birth from womb, (like mammals category not from egg),
• Signifies name, dignity, status of the native.

A) Inference :Above is clear, the importance of 7^th house is said here, that with the help of 7^th house, 1^st house will be at stability.

7va highar khali hove, ulta takth vah 24 ho.

Saal 24se jitne aage, dusman grah us aatha ho.

Takkar aisi us grah hogi, aage na vo chalta ho,

Meaning :

• If 7^th house is empty, than from 24yrs throne will be reverse.
• After 24^th yrs every time if enemy come in throne than they will be destroyed by strike that they will not move forward.

B) Inference : If 7H is empty which enemy planets and what will they do after 24 yrs? Last line is not clear `aage na vo chalta ho' ?

[Nirmalji]

Takkar aisi us grah hogi, aage na vo chalta ho,
Though not clear but i can persume that this is referring to the situation when
khana no 7 is vacant and any planet who is enemy of planet no 1 when comes at
khana No 1 may feel this wrath. But in my view this condition will prevail only
from 25th year upto the end of 27th year.
The term aagen na vo chalta ho means (in my opinion) the planets being
destroyed(Nashta).

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Lagan agar khud khali hove, kismat sath na aayi ho.

Kismat uski saatve baithee, ya ghar chauthe 10ve ho.

Mutti keghar charo khali, 9-3-11-5ve ho.

Yeh ghar bhi gar khali hove, 2-6-12-8ve ho.

Ghar 12hi ghum ke dekhe, uccha, qayam, ya ghar ka jo.

• If 1^st H is empty than native is deprived of luck from birth, than
• Look planets of luck in the sequence which is also know as mutti ke khana , 7^th house, or 4^th H , 10^th house, if all empty, than
• Look the sequence 9-3-11-5, if these are also empty than
• Look the sequence 2-6-12-8^th H, the planet of luck will be that planet which is exalted, rasi lord, or Qayam.

C) Inference :Here method is given to find kismat ka grah, the planet which is most qayam will wake up the fortune of the native as per given sequence.

Kismat ka vah malik hoga, baithe takth per uske ho.

Ghar pehla jab raj hukumat, saat(7H) vasir hi hota hai.

Har dose koi dusman hove, saat (nearby) fakiri hota hai.

Uuch neech ghar ke jo dusman hove, vah nahi en gharo ladte hai.

Baaki grah sab jhagra karte, umar se bhi vah marte hai.

• Planet will be lord of fortune who sits in the 1 H,
• 1^st H is ruler and 7^th H is Minister, if there is enemy in between than saat fakiri hota hai. Planets does not fight which are exalted and debilitated in these both house, rest planets fight each other and dies as per age of planets.

D) Inference: Planet which is in 1H the ruler and 7H the minister.

My understanding about these lines are:

Here sun and Saturn will not fight in 1 & 7H, rest enemy planets will fight.

"umar se bhi marte hai" ?

[Nirmalji]

My understanding about these lines are:

There are simple rules of lal kitab which apply here.
Rule says
 if the planet(b) being aspected is the enemy of planet(a) that aspect it, then b will not allow a to transfer the effect of a to the house in which b is posited. 'b' will prefer to take the effect of 'a' on its own even in this process 'b' may get destroyed. So if planets in 1st and 7th are enemy then the war between the two will damage the effect of both the planet.
Regarding "Umar se bhi marte hain"
Let me illustrate the lines word by word
oonch (exalted-Sooraj(1), Saturn(7)) neech(Debilitated-Shani(1),Sooraj(7)),Ghar ke(Mangal(1), Shukkar(7), Budh(7) jo giney hain, ..........
Baaqi grah ( Remaining Planets are Brihaspat, Rahu, Ketu,Moon) sab jhagda karte.....
When ever there are more than two planets having the remaining planets amongst them  in house no 1 and one of the remaining planets in 7th then this condition will prevail.
When we study the remaining chapters the concept will become more clear.
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[V Shukla ji]
Spasht hai ki khana 1 aur 7 ke grahon ki jhagdaa na karne ki shart kewal khana 1 aur 7 ke oonch neech suraj aur shani tak hee mehdood hai. Agar dono oonch huve to bhi dushmani nahi hogi aur dono neech huve to bhi dushmani nahi hogi. 
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[Pt. Bhoosanpriyaji]
The phrase " oonch neech ghar ke jo gine hain" includes only those planets which are considered exalted or debilitated in these two houses i.e. the Sun and the Saturn only. The phrase does NOT include the ghar ke planets. 
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Takth per baita nar grah raja, dusro se vah stree hai.

7ve is ki aurat, beti, budh, sukkar do behthi hai.

Jyada ekse ghar pehle mein, nar grah stree hoti.

Do se jyada ghar 7ve mein, stree grah nar hoti hai.

Ginti magar ho raja alhaida, rai cameti hoti hai.

Jahira besak teen ho baite, ginti char ki hoti hai.

• Male planet sit in 1H is king, it is female for second (I think for 7H).
• 7^th H is female for wife it is venus and for daughter it is mercury.
• If 1H has more than one planets than male planets will have famine instinct, if 7^th house has more two planets, females planets will have masculer instinct.
• Decision or suggestions will be of majority except king, if total 3 sits but total count will be four.

E) Inference :needs more clarification.
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[Shuklaji]

Takth per baita nar grah raja,  dusro se vah stree hai.
'dusro' who is stree here?
Ans.:- koyi bhi stri grah agar  takht par aayegaa to raja hone ke vazah se nar grah ban jaayegaa ,haalaan ki aur grahon ke mutalliq  sandarbh main vah stri grah hee rahegaa.
maslan- SHUKKAR KHANA 1 MAIN AANE PAR RAAJAA HOTEY HEE APNE JAATI SWBHAAV SE NAR HO JAAYEGAA TATHAA TAAQ  MAIN NAHI BOLEGAA .isiliye  lk 1952 page 59 par bhi likhaa hai ki - "YAH KISI KO NEECH NAHI KARTAA DOOSREY KHWAAH ISE NEECH KAR DETEY HAIN."

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Akela pehle bahut ho 7ve, grah phal rasi hoti hai.

Ulatagar ho tewe baite, jaad 7ve ki katti hai.

Ravi,sani, budh, mangal tewe, kahi bhi iskebaite ho.

Phalwese hi ghar pehle ki, us tewe mein hote ho.

• If single planet in 1^st and many in 7^th , it is of grah phal, but if vice versa than it will cut the roots of 7^th H.
• Sun, sani, budh, mangal sits anywhere in horoscope, Results of first house will be accordingly to these planets.

LK-52, pg 57,

Akela takth per bahut ho 7 ve   Raja Vasiri hota hai (very good position)

ulat magar jab tewe baithe   jadd 7 ve ki katti hai

here example is given how jadd 7H is destroyed.
if jupiter, moon, mercury, rahu in 1H and only ketu in 7H.
than till age of mercury 34 (pakka ghar 7H) ketu is destroyed ie son will not take birth, and if till age 48 (ketu's age) second son takes birth than mercury is destroyed ie daughter will face lots of difficulties.

Look 7H is destroyed where wife and daughter both luck is present."7ve iski aurat, beti,  budh, sukkar do baithee hai"[ketu is friend to venus also].I think concept is very clear in the book.

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[Shuklaji]
Akela pehle bahut ho 7ve, grah phal rasi hoti hai.
grah phal converting into rasi phal or what ?
Ans.-Yes u r right.
which planets participate in above rasi phal, grah phal ?
Ans.-This depends upon the situation of more planets in 7th including shukkar. 
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I have divided the poetry as per mine thinking to understand it better, many prose are very difficult to understand.

Vijay Goel
Vedic Astrologer and Vastukar
Jaipur
Mob :8003004666.
Askme@VijayGoel.net
www.IndianAstroVedic.com

Relation between house & planets; Lal-kitab

Dear members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Ghar kab raddi hoga iska lekh Arman no. 108 pg 66 LK 40 mein darj hai.

Title :
"Rasiyo ke bager sirf graho se hi har khana ka asar dekhne ka dang.

Har khana number mein us jagah diye hua graho ka juda juda asar dekege, jaise bhi ve asar hove vese hi us graho ka dia hua khana per ka hoga."

Please note that the table given in above Lk 40 page 66 differs from the table mentioned in LK41-pg 380.

For example: [LK40 pg 66] for house number 1 , mercury, sun, mars, sani is considered here, it means the position and status of these four planets (as seperately anywhere ) will say the status of house number 1.
Now in [LK41 pg 380] sun and mars jointly in any house will confer the status of house number 1.

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
jaipur.

Masnui concept in Lal kitab (artificial planets)

Respected Members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Lets start discussion with the Concept of Masnui Planets:

The Masnui planets are formed as per LK-1941 page 392 is as under :

1) Masnui Jupiter (khali hawai) : sun + venus

2) Masnui Sun : mercury + venus

3) Masnui Moon : sun + jupiter

4) Masnui Venus (khali hawai) : rahu + ketu

5) Masnui Mars Nek : sun + mercury

6) Masnui Mars badh : sun + saturn

7) Masnui Mercury : jupiter + rahu

8) Masnui Saturn like Ketu : venus + jupiter

9) Masnui Saturn like Rahu Manda : mars + mercury

10) Masnui Rahu Uccha : mars + saturn

11) Masnui Rahu Neech : sun + saturn

12) Masnui Ketu Uccha : venus + Saturn

13) Masnui Ketu Neecha : moon + Saturn

A) We must note that Masnui Jupiter and Masnui Venus is “Khali Hawai”

It indicate artifical thoughts, Jupiter thoughts are related to spiritual level whereas venus thoughs are related to material realms.

B) We must note that Masnui Saturn itself behave like ketu and like rahu manda, but when natal Saturn joins with either mars, sun, venus or moon, it become Masnui rahu and Masnui ketu.

This shows the closeness of “Papi Grahs” (Lk-41,pg 6)” and their interchangeable nature. Saturn is Munsif (who records judgement) and Rahu & Ketu is Paap. Rahu , Ketu can have the nature of Saturn but not the power of Saturn.(Lk-41 pg 300 line 1-5).

C) Rahu and Ketu are “Paap Grahs” and this two planets is controlled by Jupiter , but Jupiter itself influenced and disturbed by mercury (LK-1941,pg 4, line7-10, also see pg 307 line 11-13).

D) It must be also noted that when Saturn joins with Jupiter in the natal chart all other planets becomes Dharmi grah ie all Papi Grah will not do any mischievous.

E) Masnui Venus : in which fight and mockery of Rahu and mischievous enjoyment of ketu (sex for enjoyment without children) is included (lk-41, pg 307)

This line indicates how component in Masnui planet is working.

G) Lk-41, pg 386 line 1-4 : When Jupiter is in Khana no. 9 than lord of Khana no. 12 will be Rahu but if Jupiter is NOT in Khana no. 9 & 12 than Lord of Khana no. 12 will be Mansui Mercury ( = Rahu + Jupiter).

This line indicates the relationship with house. planet and its masnui concept.

H) Lk-41, pg 380 : It says that

1)Venus + Jupiter will affect the results of Khana no 2,

2)Sun + Jupiter will affect the result of Khana no 5,

3)Mars + mercury will affect the results of Khana no. 3,

4)Venus + mercury will affect the results of khana no. 7,

5)Mars + Saturn + moon will affect the results of khana no. 8.

It says that above Masnui will bring changes or affect the respective houses.

For eg Venus + Jupiter is Masnui Saturn like ketu nature, so this combination will affect the Khana number 2 i.e. we should focus on the matters related to in-laws family (2H).

I)

These are few points I had complied haphazardly for further discussion.

It will be better if we compile all information in a systematic manner.

Thankyou

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

Vijay ji,

masnui graho ke baare mein samajhna itna aasan nahi, phir bhi jitna meri samajh hai uske mutabik puri koshish karunga ki is topic par kuch roshni daal sakoon.

jab do grah ikaththe honge to wo apna apna phal to denge hi saath hi un do graho mein agar koi saajhi baat hogi to wo us se related phal bhi denge.
maslan guru shukra ab inme khana no 2 saajha hai isliye yeh apna apna phal dene ke saath no2 ko bhi affect karenege apni placement ke hisaab se nek ya manda jo bhi.

doosra guru shukra kahi bhi saath hot to ab shani ka phal hamen ketu ki nek ya buri placement ke hisaab se nek ya bura milega.

regards
chetan
lk student

respected members

jaise ki mein samjhti hoon yeh behas bekar ho rahi hai jiska natija kuch
nahin niklega. guru shukra milkar sani ketu swabhavjaisa banta hai.
yahan par dekhne wali baat hai ki sani jaisa us kundli mein hai jis
kundli mein guru shukra ekathe hai us kundli mein sani waisa phal
nahin dega jaisa ketu us kundli mein hai yahan sani apna swabhav chusti
chalaki eyari chodkaar universal ketu ka jaisa swabhav hota hai sani ka
swabha v waisa hi ho jayega ( bulandi on par pahuchana, sachai ka saath
dena, saanti priye ,obedient b}

ab agar sani ka phal ketu ke anusaar milta toh lalkitab mein yeh likha
jata ke ab jaisa ketu kundli mein hoga ab sani waisa hi phal dega acha
ya manda. lekin likha gaya hai ki sani ketu swabhav jaisa (naki ketu ke
anusaar phal )

greh ka phal swabhav dekhne ke liye budh ke chapter mein phar mula diya
gaya hai ki budh ka swabhav kaise dehka jaye aur wahan bilkul clear
likha hai ki budh bilkul waisa hi phal dega jaisa ki us phaarmule ke
anusar kundali mein us samay us ghar mein jo greh mauzuud hai.

masnui greh ka parmula is liye banaya gaya hai ki agar kisi samay kundli
mein greh phal ka greh ya uch ka greh acha phal na de raha ho to us
samay us me se masnue ke ansh nikal dene chahiyen jo baki bache woh us
ghar kephal ko acha kar saken.

example: jab guru khana no 10.yahan par breshapati ke masnue hai woh hai
suraj + sukra yahan par suraj ko nikalne ke liye tambe ke sikke jal
parwah karwaye hai yahan guru ke roop mein (masnui) suraj baitha hai
isiliuye pagri bhi pehanne ko kaha hai (suraj 10th ka upay)

is topic ko samjhane ke liye sh. Mahajan ji ka danyawaad.

Simran

Dear Simranji,

Thankyou for sharing the views of Mahajanji,

" kundli mein guru shukra ekathe hai us kundli mein sani waisa phal nahin dega jaisa ketu us kundli mein hai yahan sani apna swabhav chusti chalaki eyari chodkaar universal ketu ka jaisa swabhav hota hai sani ka swabha v waisa hi ho jayega ( bulandi on par pahuchana, sachai ka saath dena, saanti priye ,obedient b}"

This views contradict the Chetan ji views, but my query related to Chetanji is still pending. I am expecting his answers on it.

"masnui greh ka parmula is liye banaya gaya hai ki agar kisi samay kundli mein greh phal ka greh ya uch ka greh acha phal na de raha ho to us samay us me se masnue ke ansh nikal dene chahiyen jo baki bache woh us ghar kephal ko acha kar saken. "

Masnui concept is majorly used for remedies finds more supports from all members and Kulbhirji has also produced the reference from book for it.

When different views comes, it helps us to understand the subject at different angles and we have scope to test it practically on different chart.

Thankyou all for moving this topic forwade.

Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Sear Vijay ji,

I am afraid you have taken it wrong, I am not supporting any
notion but only compiling the list of Masnoi references. The reference you
have got stuck is the first reference of Masnoi's in 1940 book.
I have given many other references from the book try to go through these
also to have a proper understanding.

Another reference is on page 173 of 1942 edition.
Masnoi Grah - Sooraj shanichar Rahu Subhao (neech) Sooraj Shanichar Khaali
Budh (raat din mushtarqa) mauton ka dalal hoga.
Regards
Kulbir Bains

Dear Kulbir bhai,

This is not the only one. There are a few other such combinations which are not added in the Masnuyee list

[1] Sun + Venus = mercury “ dono grah [sooraj aur shukra] ke milap se budh paida hoga†[page 798; 1952 Urdu ed]

[2] Mercury + Ketu = Venus “ shukra ke do juz yani budh ketu mane gaye hain†[page 582; 1952 Urdu ed]

[3] Mercury + Moon = Saturn [manda] “ duniyavi haal manda hi hoga, dono mushtarka mande shanishchar ka phal denge†[page 837; 1952 Urdu ed]

I do not remember the exact page number but I have also read the following:

[a] Mars + Jupiter = possibility of Mercury

[b] Sun + Ketu = possibility of Mercury

[c] Mars + Ketu = possibility of mercury

Have a nice day,

Varun Trivedi

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Dear Vijay Ji;

Many interesting things are going to come in e.g.
When we talk of Mercury masnoi; the only thing that strikes the mind is Guru + Rahu; Similarly Rahu (neech) = Sun + Saturn.
BUT
Explanation on page 205 of 1940 reads as follows " Sooraj Sanichar mushtarqa = Budh hoga, jisme Rahu ki sharat ka subhao(v) hoga.
Interesting ; Isn't it.
I again beg of you; please don't rush. Haste only leads to waste. Lets make efforts to understand the subject matter in totality. I have nothing personal against you. It's only your insistence may I say obstinate attitude for piecemeal solutions that sometimes irritates me.
Easy, Smooth, Refined is the method I prefer. You can call it a behavioral disorder ;-). Which I am helpless to change. After all we are no strangers.
Affectionate Regards
Kulbir Bains.

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dear vijay ji

few additions from my side.

Phal and swabhav are totally different things, like greh phal and rashi phal.
phal are related to greh phal waley sitarey and swabhav is rashi phal waley
sitarey.

like, shani no 8 uska phal neech hoga (accident etc),

shani no 5 uska swabhav neech hoga (phal nahin) (bachey khaney wala saanp) here
it is refereed as child eater snake i.e. it can eat childs, parento yehin pey
agar ek akeli nar santaan ho to wohi saanp andah hoga.

shani no 10 uska swabhav unch hoga here it ready to give every thing to jatak
depending upon his efforts but it does not promise of every thing to jatak.

where as in house no 6 uska phal neech hoga this will definatly attack house no
6.

and same for house no 3, yehan per weh jatak to nirdhan aur kangaal karega hi.
///gebi dhakkey///

regards,
leekha

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"Phal and swabhav are totally different things, like greh phal and rashi phal.
phal are related to greh phal waley sitarey and swabhav is rashi phal waley
sitarey."

Very Important, must be noted ..

Vijay

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Dear Members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

There is the list given in LK-40 page 92 :

Asar : masnui banawat ke graho ka asar khas-khas batao ka hoga:

The effect\results of masnui planets will be in specific areas only.

1) Masnui Jupiter : aulad ki padaish ka malik. (lord-signifies for birth of child)
2) Masnui Sun : sehat ka malik. (lord-signifies for self health).
3) Masnui Moon : Valdeni khoon (nafta) ka talluk. ( Related to semen)
4) Masnui Venus : Duniyavi sukh ( bajuj aulad) (Materialistic happines , sex ?)
5) Masnui Mars : aulad jinda rakne ka malik, bel sabsi ka malik(lord-signifies for longevity of child, vegetable which grows on 'Bhel' like plants)
6) Masnui Mercury : Ijjat sohrat (reputation and status)
7) Masnui Saturn : sakth bimari ( Hard disease)
8) Masnui Rahu : jhagre fasad ( enmity,conflicts)
9) Masnui Ketu : eash ka malik ( lord-signifies of enjoyment)

I hope this will further help.

Thankyou
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
Mob: +91 8003004666
www,VijayGoel.net

Dristi concept-LK-52 -"Dhoka Dristi" & "Ande Grah"

Dear Members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Now we look the concept DHOKA pg 117 LK-52.

Dhoka Dristi :1-->10, 4-->1: This is one of the most important concept in Lal-kitab, referred many time at different places.

The Text says : "Aab yeh greh doguni takat ke hoge, ache ya bure baat ka faisla pakka ghar number 10 mein dhoka ke greh ke mutaallika dia hua vasool per hoga"

Planets will be of twice the strength. Good or Bad results will depend on the judgement of Pakka Ghar no. 10 "Dhoke ke grah " related principles.

Since to understand this concept we must first understand Pakka ghar 10 and its related principles.

Lk-52 pg 43 : Ande greh : Blind planets : If Khana no 10 is destroyed due to
a) Enemy planet(s).
b) Planets in debilitation (neech hesiyat) ie. Jupiter in 10H.
c) Raddi planets : For raddi graha concept read and look table pg 66 Lk 40.
Than horoscope will be said blind, and all the planets including saturn even in exalted position (uchh) will act as blind.
Pg 631-632 Lk52 for sani in 10H says : sani will like a bloody snake for blind charts (Cobra of double strength).

Inference :
1)10 house is karma bhave, kismat ki buniyaas ka maidan, ie if planets are their in 10H person will be surely laborious (karma yogi) therefore if overall analysis of chart force him to take positive action than the results will be doubled and if actions are directionless (blind) he will be at double loss.
2)This Dhoka dristi only focuses on the Work, job, "Jivika, rizak" related issue not on other issues like health, makan, marriage, children.

To check how planet in 10H will behave we see :
Lk-52 page 79 : kundli ka pakka ghar khana no.10 :
"Grah 10 ve ka ghar 10 sakki, dugini takat ka hota hai,
aakh gaya hai 2 jiski, kwab 12 mein leta hai.

If planets comes in 10H in varshphal than planet will become dhoka ka grah, His good or evil properties will depends on :
A)1) If house 8 is Manda than it doubly manda,
2) If house 2 is Good than it is doubly good (2H is eyes of 10H).
3) If both 8 & 2 are equal than 10H will be first good and than bad.
4) If both 8,2 are empty than, planets in 3-5-11 will be helpful
5) If above is also empty than status of saturn will have the final say over it.
B) If enemy planets are in 10H than it will be blind chart, all planets will behave and move like a blind person, In this stage the judgement of 10H will be according to the status of Moon, if moon is good than results is good else bad.
C) Rahu, Ketu & Budh will always be sakki(in doubts) here and which will act accordingly as per the status of sani with double strength.

Their is one more point related to this topic which is left by me, intentionally.

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Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
Mob : 09214502239.

"Dristi concept" farmaan 8 - Lal Kitab -1952-Part 2

Dear Members,

The word Jadd is not used under the heading Buniyaad topic in the book. It is used under the heading 'Takrao' topic.

Buniyaad means foundation.
Kya Khanna no.1 ki bunyaad khanna no. 9 hai ? Agar khanna no. 9 mein kharab grah hai to khanna no 1 ko bhi kharab karege and vice versa?


Jadd means Roots. In Lk-52 page 122 : Rin Pitra ke grah : Janm kundli mein jis grah ki jadd ( uski apni rasi) mein dusman grah bhet kar ......

Now coming back to our Dristi concept :

Takrao : 1-->8, 6-->1 : (pg115-116,lk52) :Here irrespective of friendship-enmity planet in Khanna no. 1 will conflict with the planets in Khana no. 8 even to such a extent that Jadd could also be destroyed and vice versa for 6H to 1H.
Now, for eg moon in 1H and jupiter in 6H, than does it means that jupiter will conflict will moon and jupiter will destroy 4H (jadd of moon).

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Vijay Goel
Jaipur

EXCEPTION RULE IN TAKRAO DRISTI.

Dear Members,

Page 111 lk-52 is very important to understand.

It will be very helpful if you explain this page.
In this page text says that 2H & 9H will not have takrao as clouds will strike
with mountain and rain will result and many other concepts are touched here.

This page is indeed very important.

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel

Jaipur

DEAR VIJAY Goeji and other learned members,

SOME HOUSES ARE CONSIDERED AUSPICIOUS.
Based ON THIS PRINCIPLE LORDS OF 2h , 9h , 10 h,if
placed in 9h , 4h , and 5h respectively and they help each other.
Similarly 3,6, 8 , 12 houes are leen (from where hidden or
unanticipated problem arise) .As such if lord of 8H is placed
in 3H , it does not create Takrab situation.
You may refer verse 7 ch 11 of Jatakparisat and verses 39,42 and 49
of chapter 14 0f Prasanmarg.
SORRY TO BRING OTHER CLASSICS IN lALLKITAB DISCUSSIONS BUT
ALL ARE NOT AT CROSS PURPOSES.
rEGARDS,

G.K.GOEL

"Dristi concept" farmaan 8 - Lal Kitab -1952-Part 1

Respected members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Yog Dristi : 1-->5, 5-->9, 9-->1. This is yoga dristi. (pg114,lk52)
Here planets in house number 1 is helping planets in house number 5 and getting help from planets in house no. 9 irrespective of enmity-friendship .
These yog dristi planets are also mustarka to each other. (pg118)

Buniyaad (pg 116): 1-->9, 9-->5, 5-->1. Here planets in house no. 1 and 5 and 1 and 9, both with help each other irrespective of enmity-friendship.

Please elaborate the meanings of yog dristi and buniyaad and what is the basic difference in them ?

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Respected members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Please see the following relations for 1-9 dristi relationship: Buniyad and yog dristi :
Kush LK se 1-9 mein graho ka kya lekh hai wo prastut hai.:

for eg combination for malefic results :
1) Sun in 6H and Mars in 10H : Ladke bhasm banata ho (pg 62 Lk42) :son dies one after another.
2) Sun in 10H and Saturn in 6H : maschar se bharpur ho kismat (pg 68 LK42). lots of mosquitos in fortune, some idiom !! ?
3) Rahu in 9H and Saturn in 5H : nar aulad na paida ho na hi mare. Aulad ka yog har traha se manda hoga. sanisar no.5 ka dia hua asar manda hoga (pg 677 Lk52) : Son will not take birth.
4) Jupiter in 1H and enemy planets in 5H or 9H is not good especially for children and own health (pg 250-252, Lk52)

We can see that in all above positions, helping each other irrespective of enmity & friendship won't work. Hence Buniyaad and Yog Dristi has some larger meaning to it.

In traditional astrology 9-1-5 indicate one's Dharma (righteousness) which one gets from father (9-->1) and passes on to his son (1-->5), in this way generation to generation Dharma is maintained and goods results are seen. This is termed as Yog- Dristi in LK.

If 5-->1 or 1-->9 are enemies to each other or malefic to each other than the son and father or native and father will not listen to each other and one will be adharmic or cruel to other in nature, thus will bring gap or break in lineage / generation.
In general father (or God father) is Buniyaad to son (or student) as per LK, and it is also the main cause of Debts (Rin), The relationship of Buniyaad and debts cannot be seperate, as in Hindu philosophy so 'Shraad' (obligations) ritual is compulsory. If planets are friends, their is no debts and native rises exponentially due to blessing of elders (strong Buniyaad).

I hope am able to convey my point and different in them.

Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
Mob : 9214502239.