Masnui concept in Lal kitab (artificial planets)

Respected Members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

Lets start discussion with the Concept of Masnui Planets:

The Masnui planets are formed as per LK-1941 page 392 is as under :

1) Masnui Jupiter (khali hawai) : sun + venus

2) Masnui Sun : mercury + venus

3) Masnui Moon : sun + jupiter

4) Masnui Venus (khali hawai) : rahu + ketu

5) Masnui Mars Nek : sun + mercury

6) Masnui Mars badh : sun + saturn

7) Masnui Mercury : jupiter + rahu

8) Masnui Saturn like Ketu : venus + jupiter

9) Masnui Saturn like Rahu Manda : mars + mercury

10) Masnui Rahu Uccha : mars + saturn

11) Masnui Rahu Neech : sun + saturn

12) Masnui Ketu Uccha : venus + Saturn

13) Masnui Ketu Neecha : moon + Saturn

A) We must note that Masnui Jupiter and Masnui Venus is “Khali Hawai”

It indicate artifical thoughts, Jupiter thoughts are related to spiritual level whereas venus thoughs are related to material realms.

B) We must note that Masnui Saturn itself behave like ketu and like rahu manda, but when natal Saturn joins with either mars, sun, venus or moon, it become Masnui rahu and Masnui ketu.

This shows the closeness of “Papi Grahs” (Lk-41,pg 6)” and their interchangeable nature. Saturn is Munsif (who records judgement) and Rahu & Ketu is Paap. Rahu , Ketu can have the nature of Saturn but not the power of Saturn.(Lk-41 pg 300 line 1-5).

C) Rahu and Ketu are “Paap Grahs” and this two planets is controlled by Jupiter , but Jupiter itself influenced and disturbed by mercury (LK-1941,pg 4, line7-10, also see pg 307 line 11-13).

D) It must be also noted that when Saturn joins with Jupiter in the natal chart all other planets becomes Dharmi grah ie all Papi Grah will not do any mischievous.

E) Masnui Venus : in which fight and mockery of Rahu and mischievous enjoyment of ketu (sex for enjoyment without children) is included (lk-41, pg 307)

This line indicates how component in Masnui planet is working.

G) Lk-41, pg 386 line 1-4 : When Jupiter is in Khana no. 9 than lord of Khana no. 12 will be Rahu but if Jupiter is NOT in Khana no. 9 & 12 than Lord of Khana no. 12 will be Mansui Mercury ( = Rahu + Jupiter).

This line indicates the relationship with house. planet and its masnui concept.

H) Lk-41, pg 380 : It says that

1)Venus + Jupiter will affect the results of Khana no 2,

2)Sun + Jupiter will affect the result of Khana no 5,

3)Mars + mercury will affect the results of Khana no. 3,

4)Venus + mercury will affect the results of khana no. 7,

5)Mars + Saturn + moon will affect the results of khana no. 8.

It says that above Masnui will bring changes or affect the respective houses.

For eg Venus + Jupiter is Masnui Saturn like ketu nature, so this combination will affect the Khana number 2 i.e. we should focus on the matters related to in-laws family (2H).

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These are few points I had complied haphazardly for further discussion.

It will be better if we compile all information in a systematic manner.

Thankyou

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

Vijay ji,

masnui graho ke baare mein samajhna itna aasan nahi, phir bhi jitna meri samajh hai uske mutabik puri koshish karunga ki is topic par kuch roshni daal sakoon.

jab do grah ikaththe honge to wo apna apna phal to denge hi saath hi un do graho mein agar koi saajhi baat hogi to wo us se related phal bhi denge.
maslan guru shukra ab inme khana no 2 saajha hai isliye yeh apna apna phal dene ke saath no2 ko bhi affect karenege apni placement ke hisaab se nek ya manda jo bhi.

doosra guru shukra kahi bhi saath hot to ab shani ka phal hamen ketu ki nek ya buri placement ke hisaab se nek ya bura milega.

regards
chetan
lk student

respected members

jaise ki mein samjhti hoon yeh behas bekar ho rahi hai jiska natija kuch
nahin niklega. guru shukra milkar sani ketu swabhavjaisa banta hai.
yahan par dekhne wali baat hai ki sani jaisa us kundli mein hai jis
kundli mein guru shukra ekathe hai us kundli mein sani waisa phal
nahin dega jaisa ketu us kundli mein hai yahan sani apna swabhav chusti
chalaki eyari chodkaar universal ketu ka jaisa swabhav hota hai sani ka
swabha v waisa hi ho jayega ( bulandi on par pahuchana, sachai ka saath
dena, saanti priye ,obedient b}

ab agar sani ka phal ketu ke anusaar milta toh lalkitab mein yeh likha
jata ke ab jaisa ketu kundli mein hoga ab sani waisa hi phal dega acha
ya manda. lekin likha gaya hai ki sani ketu swabhav jaisa (naki ketu ke
anusaar phal )

greh ka phal swabhav dekhne ke liye budh ke chapter mein phar mula diya
gaya hai ki budh ka swabhav kaise dehka jaye aur wahan bilkul clear
likha hai ki budh bilkul waisa hi phal dega jaisa ki us phaarmule ke
anusar kundali mein us samay us ghar mein jo greh mauzuud hai.

masnui greh ka parmula is liye banaya gaya hai ki agar kisi samay kundli
mein greh phal ka greh ya uch ka greh acha phal na de raha ho to us
samay us me se masnue ke ansh nikal dene chahiyen jo baki bache woh us
ghar kephal ko acha kar saken.

example: jab guru khana no 10.yahan par breshapati ke masnue hai woh hai
suraj + sukra yahan par suraj ko nikalne ke liye tambe ke sikke jal
parwah karwaye hai yahan guru ke roop mein (masnui) suraj baitha hai
isiliuye pagri bhi pehanne ko kaha hai (suraj 10th ka upay)

is topic ko samjhane ke liye sh. Mahajan ji ka danyawaad.

Simran

Dear Simranji,

Thankyou for sharing the views of Mahajanji,

" kundli mein guru shukra ekathe hai us kundli mein sani waisa phal nahin dega jaisa ketu us kundli mein hai yahan sani apna swabhav chusti chalaki eyari chodkaar universal ketu ka jaisa swabhav hota hai sani ka swabha v waisa hi ho jayega ( bulandi on par pahuchana, sachai ka saath dena, saanti priye ,obedient b}"

This views contradict the Chetan ji views, but my query related to Chetanji is still pending. I am expecting his answers on it.

"masnui greh ka parmula is liye banaya gaya hai ki agar kisi samay kundli mein greh phal ka greh ya uch ka greh acha phal na de raha ho to us samay us me se masnue ke ansh nikal dene chahiyen jo baki bache woh us ghar kephal ko acha kar saken. "

Masnui concept is majorly used for remedies finds more supports from all members and Kulbhirji has also produced the reference from book for it.

When different views comes, it helps us to understand the subject at different angles and we have scope to test it practically on different chart.

Thankyou all for moving this topic forwade.

Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.

Sear Vijay ji,

I am afraid you have taken it wrong, I am not supporting any
notion but only compiling the list of Masnoi references. The reference you
have got stuck is the first reference of Masnoi's in 1940 book.
I have given many other references from the book try to go through these
also to have a proper understanding.

Another reference is on page 173 of 1942 edition.
Masnoi Grah - Sooraj shanichar Rahu Subhao (neech) Sooraj Shanichar Khaali
Budh (raat din mushtarqa) mauton ka dalal hoga.
Regards
Kulbir Bains

Dear Kulbir bhai,

This is not the only one. There are a few other such combinations which are not added in the Masnuyee list

[1] Sun + Venus = mercury “ dono grah [sooraj aur shukra] ke milap se budh paida hoga†[page 798; 1952 Urdu ed]

[2] Mercury + Ketu = Venus “ shukra ke do juz yani budh ketu mane gaye hain†[page 582; 1952 Urdu ed]

[3] Mercury + Moon = Saturn [manda] “ duniyavi haal manda hi hoga, dono mushtarka mande shanishchar ka phal denge†[page 837; 1952 Urdu ed]

I do not remember the exact page number but I have also read the following:

[a] Mars + Jupiter = possibility of Mercury

[b] Sun + Ketu = possibility of Mercury

[c] Mars + Ketu = possibility of mercury

Have a nice day,

Varun Trivedi

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Dear Vijay Ji;

Many interesting things are going to come in e.g.
When we talk of Mercury masnoi; the only thing that strikes the mind is Guru + Rahu; Similarly Rahu (neech) = Sun + Saturn.
BUT
Explanation on page 205 of 1940 reads as follows " Sooraj Sanichar mushtarqa = Budh hoga, jisme Rahu ki sharat ka subhao(v) hoga.
Interesting ; Isn't it.
I again beg of you; please don't rush. Haste only leads to waste. Lets make efforts to understand the subject matter in totality. I have nothing personal against you. It's only your insistence may I say obstinate attitude for piecemeal solutions that sometimes irritates me.
Easy, Smooth, Refined is the method I prefer. You can call it a behavioral disorder ;-). Which I am helpless to change. After all we are no strangers.
Affectionate Regards
Kulbir Bains.

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dear vijay ji

few additions from my side.

Phal and swabhav are totally different things, like greh phal and rashi phal.
phal are related to greh phal waley sitarey and swabhav is rashi phal waley
sitarey.

like, shani no 8 uska phal neech hoga (accident etc),

shani no 5 uska swabhav neech hoga (phal nahin) (bachey khaney wala saanp) here
it is refereed as child eater snake i.e. it can eat childs, parento yehin pey
agar ek akeli nar santaan ho to wohi saanp andah hoga.

shani no 10 uska swabhav unch hoga here it ready to give every thing to jatak
depending upon his efforts but it does not promise of every thing to jatak.

where as in house no 6 uska phal neech hoga this will definatly attack house no
6.

and same for house no 3, yehan per weh jatak to nirdhan aur kangaal karega hi.
///gebi dhakkey///

regards,
leekha

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"Phal and swabhav are totally different things, like greh phal and rashi phal.
phal are related to greh phal waley sitarey and swabhav is rashi phal waley
sitarey."

Very Important, must be noted ..

Vijay

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Dear Members,

Hare Rama Krsna,

There is the list given in LK-40 page 92 :

Asar : masnui banawat ke graho ka asar khas-khas batao ka hoga:

The effect\results of masnui planets will be in specific areas only.

1) Masnui Jupiter : aulad ki padaish ka malik. (lord-signifies for birth of child)
2) Masnui Sun : sehat ka malik. (lord-signifies for self health).
3) Masnui Moon : Valdeni khoon (nafta) ka talluk. ( Related to semen)
4) Masnui Venus : Duniyavi sukh ( bajuj aulad) (Materialistic happines , sex ?)
5) Masnui Mars : aulad jinda rakne ka malik, bel sabsi ka malik(lord-signifies for longevity of child, vegetable which grows on 'Bhel' like plants)
6) Masnui Mercury : Ijjat sohrat (reputation and status)
7) Masnui Saturn : sakth bimari ( Hard disease)
8) Masnui Rahu : jhagre fasad ( enmity,conflicts)
9) Masnui Ketu : eash ka malik ( lord-signifies of enjoyment)

I hope this will further help.

Thankyou
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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