Let me add one more mail to this Lalkitab review sequence.
Point -1 (a)
Before moving into discussing planetary aspect etc I should mention some other basic concepts that are much relevant to LK system I think. I mean - AIA concept of Sun being king, Moon being Queen, Mars the commander, Mercury the Prince etc and a similar concepts in LK.
Almost every indian knowledge branch while presenting the subject will have some mysterious story to tell which we wish or not becomes part of the foundation of that knowledge branch. Examples could be –
1) The story of the Demon falling from sky and the 108 devas finding place in his body in Vastu
2) The concept of Kalapurusha and the above told story of Sun being king, Moon being queen etc in AIA
3) The stories of Dhandwantari and Aswini Kumaras in Ayurveda
Even ascribing the karakatwa of soul to Sun, Mind to Moon, Courage to Mars etc can be considered as part of such foundation stories.
LK too has its own set of such foundation stories, most of which are in tune with the AIA approach as well. Let me list some of these foundation stories supported by rich imagery.
1) 1st-7th-8th -11th houses should be analyzed together. Because, planets in 1st house is the ruler (king), 7th house the minister, 8th house the people who are the eyes of the minister, and 11th house (the people who are) rulers foot (worshipers).
Of course from AIA perspective also this is easy to understand since 1st house is the self, 7th house the partner, 6th and 8th the eyes of the partner (6th being the inside advice and 8th being the outside advice; 6th being the left eye and 8th being the right eye; 6th being the friends the self knows and 8th being the friends self usually don't know but closer to the partner), 11th house indicating the messenger, and naturally indicating the foot worshipers of the native since 11th house is the legs, and of ofcourse indicating public that spreads too much news since 7th to 12th houses are in visible half and 11th being indicative of ear.
2) 2nd -9th -4th houses should be analyzed together. Because, the monsoon that arises in the 9th house takes the laden clouds of fortune to the 2nd house where they rain down. Resultantly the crops grow in the 4th house.
Ofcourse from AIA perspective also this is easy to understand, since 9th house is the father and teacher, 2nd house is the home where father and mother live together, and 4th house is the mother as well as the house and the properly around the house where the native grows especially during his childhood and teenage. If 9th (father) is not good, the home cannot be, and so would be the property and happiness (indicated by 4th house).
LK lists out some other houses too that should be analyses together, either because all of them has some common subject connection as mentioned in the above two examples, or because of possibility of mutual aspect (such as 3rd and 9th; 2nd and 8th; 11th and 5th etc) or due to some other connections such as the trine connection etc. Let us remember that as per LK the planets placed in trine to each other are called `planets of foundation' or `mutually helping houses' – and some puts it as `they aspect each other/support each other' etc.
There are several other AIA like concepts as well popular in LK, such as giving extra importance to 2nd house from every house. It is a well known principle in AIA that 2nd house from every house enriches that house. Talking on similar lines LK states that- "The planet that is posited in 2nd house becomes the planet of fortune or luck' (especially if there is a planet is the 10th house)". Note the special importance given to 2nd house in the above statement and also that the 10th house is, 9th house from 2nd house. The underlying principles in such statements could be - 1st house becomes lucky due to the planets in 9th house, 2nd house enriches 1st house, planets in 9th house from 2nd – i.e. in 10th enriches 2nd house, ultimately worshiping great fortune on the 1st house – i.e. the native.
In all such scenarios we notice that the underlying system is AIA itself, but what LK does is the expert adaptation of the same, an excellent shortcut, which often hides even the underlying core concepts.
Sreenadh
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Respected Sreenadh ji and members,
Excellent works ! No doubt in it
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1) 1st-7th-8th -11th houses should be analyzed together. Because, planets in 1st house is the ruler (king), 7th house the minister, 8th house the people who are the eyes of the minister, and 11th house (the people who are) rulers foot (worshipers).
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Just an addition to above point as per LK perspective.it says that :
A) Planets in 1-7 are king and minister, so to check the planet which is assigned as minister, is fit enough to obey the king, as per the given condition in the book.
Suppose if Venus is in 7H and sun + moon in 1H than the condition of wife's health may deplete thus bring difficulty to native.
B) Planets in 1-8 H : Here this relation indicate logical - illogical intelligence and Dharmic - Adharmic attitude. Hence if both are enemies native is bound to be misguided
and thus his decision will be full of flaws, resulted into miss-happening in his life.
Here we can check which articles, relations, (ashiya) of planets is producing the problems.
C) Planets in 1-11 H : 11H is foot means direction, if both planets are enemies than native will be directionless and aimless.
Just think what are the physiological condition that makes native aimless, (suppose if we read only palm how we will know, as palm indicate abstract values).
Significance (Karaktattwa) role of planets plays the major role while analyzing any number of Bhava together, for the particular purpose.
From above we can infer that if 1-7-8-11 H , all planets are in harmonious, person is bound to rise with peaceful disposition and intelligence.
In this way we can understand other combination, like Khanna 9-2-4 ( Dhan yoga type combination.)
I hope i am able to convey my message.
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
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Dear Vijay Goel ji,
Thanks for the good pointers.
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
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Dear Vijay Ji,
You have mentioned:
"Suppose if Venus is in 7H and sun + moon in 1H than the condition of wife's health may deplete thus bring difficulty to native."
Such a combination can occur in LK Varsh Kundli.This means that wife will have ill health
in that year alone.
In LK many dicta are given which are applicable to Varsha Kundli.
You have further commented :
"From above we can infer that if 1-7-8-11 H , all planets are in harmonious, person is bound to rise with peaceful disposition and intelligence."
The planets in 1-8 houses are in Takrao position.What is really meant that the planets
may be placed in these four houses in harmonious disposition.
Be kind to explain.Do you mean that planets in 8H will not harm planets in Lagna.
Regards,
INDIA
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Respected Goel Sahab,
Pranam.
//Be kind to explain.Do you mean that planets in 8H will not harm planets in Lagna.//
The text says that if both planets are enemy to each other, person will lose foresight, His actions will be illogical (Bey Dalil), text says his generosity will decrease and his intelligence will be overpowered by the enemy planets. Hence misguided. His behavior will be 'tit for tat' type, 'blood for blood'.
But if 8H planet is friendly to 1H than he will be supported by good advice.
Similarly 1-11 position is said by one word 'Bey Lagaam', aimless \ wanderer.
Thanks,
Regards
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
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Viajy Ji,Sreenadh Ji,Nirmal Ji,Gopal ji and members,
Vijay ji aapki tatha sreenadh ji mehnat kabile-tarif hai,lekin jab aap lk tatha kisi dusri padhiti ko mix karenge ya karne kee koshish karte hain to uss se aap ko uljhan hogi.jo lk ke jankar hain ya iss mein maharat rakhte hain woh zyadatar aapko north India mein hee milenge aur woh bhee khas kar ke Punjab mein. vajah sirf yehi hai ki ek to lk Urdu mein likhi gayee hai,zyadatar iss mein rural touch (woh bhee punjabi) hai,jisse ek anubhavi hee samajh sakta hai.
Vijay ji aapki tatha sreenadh ji mehnat kabile-tarif hai,lekin jab aap lk tatha kisi dusri padhiti ko mix karenge ya karne kee koshish karte hain to uss se aap ko uljhan hogi.jo lk ke jankar hain ya iss mein maharat rakhte hain woh zyadatar aapko north India mein hee milenge aur woh bhee khas kar ke Punjab mein. vajah sirf yehi hai ki ek to lk Urdu mein likhi gayee hai,zyadatar iss mein rural touch (woh bhee punjabi) hai,jisse ek anubhavi hee samajh sakta hai.
Mein yeh bhee manata hoon ki lk par North India ka hee haq nahi hai,gyan kisi bhasha mein badhak nahi hona chahiye.agar aapko(Sreenadh) gyan kee itni hee pyas hai to lk ko lk kee nazar se hee dekhna padega.abb mein Vijay Goel ji ki mail se hee ek ref. de rahan hoon,yeh kaise sambhav hai aap bataye...(vijay ji /kulbir ji aap nahi kyonki iss vishay par aap logo se meri charcha ho chuki hai)....
A) Planets in 1-7 are king and minister, so to check the planet which is
assigned as minister, is fit enough to obey the king, as per the given
condition in the book.
Suppose if Venus is in 7H and sun + moon in 1H than the condition of
wife's health may deplete thus bring difficulty to native.
assigned as minister, is fit enough to obey the king, as per the given
condition in the book.
Suppose if Venus is in 7H and sun + moon in 1H than the condition of
wife's health may deplete thus bring difficulty to native.
yeh kaise sambhav hai ki jab sun +moon 1st house mein ho to venus 7th house mein ho.iss baat ko janane ke liye lk ka jankar hona bahut hee zaroori hai.
adar sahit
Jagmohan Mahajan
( Vijay ji kripya iss ko english mein translate kar dein taki sab members kee samajh mein aa jaye )
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//lekin jab aap lk tatha kisi dusri padhiti ko mix karenge ya karne kee koshish karte hain to uss se aap ko uljhan hogi.//
I agree with you and there certainly a possibility. But certainly something is better than nothing.
It is doubt that comes first and then doubt clarification/understanding - without out doubt coming first even the understanding cannot exist. 
//jo lk ke jankar hain ya iss mein maharat rakhte hain woh zyadatar aapko north India mein hee milenge aur woh bhee khas kar ke Punjab mein. vajah sirf yehi hai ki ek to lk Urdu mein likhi gayee hai,zyadatar iss mein rural touch (woh bhee punjabi) hai,jisse ek anubhavi hee samajh sakta hai.// This could all be true - out our purpose is to make the core principle accessible and understandable to AIA followers; not to contribute anything special to LK. If it happens as a side effect (for example the extra acceptance and repute LK might get in these net forums), that is just a side effect.
So here in this group LK discussion happens NOT for LK but for AIA followers - there is a perspective difference. //> Mein yeh bhee manata hoon ki lk par North India ka hee haq nahi hai,gyan kisi bhasha mein badhak nahi hona chahiye.//
Good point - let everyone (or at least AIA group members) become more familiar with at least the basics of these system. And that is the whole purpose of this discussion.
//agar aapko(Sreenadh) gyan kee itni hee pyas hai to lk ko lk kee nazar se hee dekhna padega.//
Certainly not interested if not for its comparison with AIA. As everyone in this group knows well, my core interest is AIA and not LK, and will remain so. Here is LK is discussed primarily for AIA followers.
//abb mein Vijay Goel ji ki mail se hee ek ref. de rahan hoon,yeh kaise sambhav hai aap bataye...//
May be this is not the ripe time for such question answers. The time for that will come later. Or if may be our dear, friendly and sincere LK scholars who are well versed in ancient indian astrology as well such as Bhooshan Priya ji or Nirmal ji might answer you. That are better in handling such LK related questions and not me. (Have you seen me answering atleast one LK related question ever?!) So better you should avoid asking such questions to me who has only 10 days awareness or familiarity with LK.
[For the record - I started looking at Lalkitab system only starting from 15th of Dec 2010, and plan to wind-up this whole discussion/thread by the end of Jan 2011 or before]Love and regards,
Sreenadh
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Respected Mahajan ji & Sreenadh ji,
Thanks for the reply,
Majorly because of you i am able to understand the true and intrinsic meaning of LK. Though i tried continously to learn way back from 1998, bought Arun Sanhita, but failed miserably to understand.
After meeting with you i got the key and in real sense entered in the LK domain., rest original transliteration is helping to explore :)
I don't think to translate your post, now, as Sreenadh ji has well replied your mail.
// yeh kaise sambhav hai ki jab sun +moon 1st house mein ho to venus 7th house mein ho.iss baat ko janane ke liye lk ka jankar hona bahut hee zaroori hai.//
[translate] How it astronomically it will be possible to have sun in 1H and venus in 7H, to understand this intrinsic meaning, understanding of LK is necessary.
Sreenadh ji,
Mahajan sahab is saying that even many instances non astronomical combination results are mentioned in LK which is again non-compatible to AIA, like Rahu-ketu may not be opposite always, mercury and venus can be in any 12 Khanna from sun.
In the 36 point - compatibility match with LK and AIA, even Nadi dosha is present, it is only Bhakut Dosha which is absent, all other doshas are present.
(Just a Joke)Thankyou
Regards
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
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Dear Mahajan ji and Vijay Goel ji,
//How it astronomically it will be possible to have sun in 1H
> and venus in 7H, to understand this intrinsic meaning, understanding of
> LK is necessary.// I missed this pointed in Mahajan ji's mail in my previous reading. I apologize to Mahajan ji for missing this valuable pointer he supplied us with.
//> Mahajan sahab is saying that even many instances non astronomical
> combination results are mentioned in LK // Yes, I understand it now, and remember that some such combination are given in some AIA texts as well. And then again would like to add that such exceptions should not be our consideration at this primary round, but only the general core principles. (Yes, I could understand that what Maharaj ji points to is that LK should be looked at with giving importance to palmistry, samudrika sastra, vastu etc as well. But I don't think such an approach is relevant to the AIA system comparison or our primary round as of now)
//> In the 36 point - compatibility match with LK and AIA, even Nadi dosha
> is present// There is no 36 point compatibility system in AIA; that is only a recent creation. And regarding the concept of Nadi dosha there are many possible things popular with the name Nadi dosha - I wonder to which of these you are pointing to. Can you please shed some more light on this? Do you want to say that Nakshatras are also known and considered in LK?
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
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Respected Sreenadh ji,
//And then again would like to add that such exceptions should not be our consideration at this primary round, but only the general core principles.//
I agree, continue with your reviews.
I just jokingly compared LK and AIA like bride and bridegroom matching in North Indian style
.Thanks,
Regards
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
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Dear Vijay ji,
//> I just jokingly compared LK and AIA like bride and bridegroom matching
> in North Indian style //
Ha..Ha...
Read the "Review -5" - Marriage is almost fixed! Love and regards,
Sreenadh
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